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QuietLunatic · 05-09-2007

I've been looking at what my daughter is "learning" in high school, and apart from a few things in math, I don't think she's learned anything new since grade 5 or 6. She's in grade 9 now and it looks like such a waste of time. School has been going downhill for years, but it seems to be getting worse and kids are coming out knowing almost nothing. No wonder the newspapers and everything else are written for grade 3 understanding. No one is learning anything new after that.

Mousetrap · 05-09-2007

I agree. It's so disappointing. The only classes that really teach are Advanced Placement classes (they are college level, and students take a test at the end of the year for college credit) and some Honors classes.

In California, there is the CAHSEE (California High School Exit Exam). It is comprised of a math and reading section, both are 8th grade level.

I am very pleased that the Advanced Placement classes are up to speed, but what about the students in standard classes? They deserve an education too, not just a daily baby-sitting service.

attagirl · 05-09-2007

The level of education continues to deteriorate, but yet we are expected to make up where the school lacks. I cannot see why teachers complain about pay since they are getting worse and teaching the students less.

Mousetrap · 05-11-2007

I don't understand how teachers complain about not getting paid enough.

They have the only job where you get all weekends, major holidays, and 2 months in the summer off. If they want to get paid more, they (as a whole) need to progress.

I think it's terrible how fast the system is deteriorating. Schools are no longer there for the students, or so it seems. They are being run more and more like a business rather than a public institution of learning.

For example, my high school just spent AT LEAST $5,000 on yellow vests that we are to wear anytime we leave a classroom during school. If we don't wear them, we get a referral. Despite this spare $5,000 that our principal happened to find, my physics book is without a cover. My statistics book is falling apart. Why are we spending money on something so irrelevant to learning as vests when we should be using it to buy educational materials?

SingleAgain · 05-11-2007

Not only that, but schools are becoming a dangerous place to be. There are increasing numbers of shootings and stabbings in schools each year, and metal detectors are becoming standard at many schools-a fact that I find appalling.

Two words. Home school.

Lloyd Brown · 05-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Mousetrap

I don't understand how teachers complain about not getting paid enough.

I hope that was a joke.

Mousetrap · 05-12-2007

No, it was not a joke. And I stand by that.

I also plan on being a teacher one day. Anyone going into the profession knows what they are getting into.

go2mars · 05-12-2007

I almost agree with Mousetrap. While I understand why teachers want more money, I don't think that they should get paid more money. They do have summers, weekends, and holidays off, so if you count the hours that they are actually working, I believe it evens out. It also depends on where you live, and what kind of teacher you are. High school teachers make more money, and rightly so. They have to put up with more grief from the students.

And yes, teachers supply children with knowledge, but it is a job.

Many of the teachers I have met are no brighter than anybody else. If teachers want to make more money, they should go to school longer.

personalmedia · 05-13-2007

I think that kids in high school have a lot more opportunities for interesting classes. My stepdaughter has taken an advanced photography class, a jewelry-making class, and an interior design course. I don't remember having access to these classes when I was in high school!

Lloyd Brown · 05-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Mousetrap

No, it was not a joke. And I stand by that.

I also plan on being a teacher one day. Anyone going into the profession knows what they are getting into.

Not going to get into battle with you over this, but do you have school aged children? If so, how much do you participate in the education process, or do you feel that is the teacher's job?

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QuietLunatic Consumer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 66	High School I've been looking at what my daughter is "learning" in high school, and apart from a few things in math, I don't think she's learned anything new since grade 5 or 6. She's in grade 9 now and it looks like such a waste of time. School has been going downhill for years, but it seems to be getting worse and kids are coming out knowing almost nothing. No wonder the newspapers and everything else are written for grade 3 understanding. No one is learning anything new after that.

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05-09-2007	#2 (permalink)
Mousetrap Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 29	I agree. It's so disappointing. The only classes that really teach are Advanced Placement classes (they are college level, and students take a test at the end of the year for college credit) and some Honors classes. In California, there is the CAHSEE (California High School Exit Exam). It is comprised of a math and reading section, both are 8th grade level. I am very pleased that the Advanced Placement classes are up to speed, but what about the students in standard classes? They deserve an education too, not just a daily baby-sitting service.

05-09-2007	#3 (permalink)
attagirl Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 42	The level of education continues to deteriorate, but yet we are expected to make up where the school lacks. I cannot see why teachers complain about pay since they are getting worse and teaching the students less.

05-11-2007	#4 (permalink)
Mousetrap Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 29	I don't understand how teachers complain about not getting paid enough. They have the only job where you get all weekends, major holidays, and 2 months in the summer off. If they want to get paid more, they (as a whole) need to progress. I think it's terrible how fast the system is deteriorating. Schools are no longer there for the students, or so it seems. They are being run more and more like a business rather than a public institution of learning. For example, my high school just spent AT LEAST $5,000 on yellow vests that we are to wear anytime we leave a classroom during school. If we don't wear them, we get a referral. Despite this spare $5,000 that our principal happened to find, my physics book is without a cover. My statistics book is falling apart. Why are we spending money on something so irrelevant to learning as vests when we should be using it to buy educational materials?

05-11-2007	#5 (permalink)
SingleAgain Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 98	Not only that, but schools are becoming a dangerous place to be. There are increasing numbers of shootings and stabbings in schools each year, and metal detectors are becoming standard at many schools-a fact that I find appalling. Two words. Home school.

05-12-2007	#7 (permalink)
Mousetrap Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 29	No, it was not a joke. And I stand by that. I also plan on being a teacher one day. Anyone going into the profession knows what they are getting into.

05-12-2007	#8 (permalink)
go2mars Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10	I almost agree with Mousetrap. While I understand why teachers want more money, I don't think that they should get paid more money. They do have summers, weekends, and holidays off, so if you count the hours that they are actually working, I believe it evens out. It also depends on where you live, and what kind of teacher you are. High school teachers make more money, and rightly so. They have to put up with more grief from the students. And yes, teachers supply children with knowledge, but it is a job. Many of the teachers I have met are no brighter than anybody else. If teachers want to make more money, they should go to school longer.

05-13-2007	#9 (permalink)
personalmedia Consumer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 71	I think that kids in high school have a lot more opportunities for interesting classes. My stepdaughter has taken an advanced photography class, a jewelry-making class, and an interior design course. I don't remember having access to these classes when I was in high school!